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Old 2009-05-09, 08:23 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Ken you really seem to do your homework so I'm surprised the marketing for this hooked you. Do yourself a favor and join FXAW if there is room and quit pursuing most of this garbage.

What does it take to get into the FXAW site. Lots of people have recomended this site before, but everytime I've gone there its completely blocked to non memebers. I cant even read the forums and see if its worthwhile without a membership. There isnt even any link to find out about membership, its like its completely closed.

What does it take, or cost, to become a member? What are the advantages? It seems like an robot development and use site created by the developer, and mostly promoting his own creations. Some of his EA's I've heard about on this site, but I dont think one has ever been tested, or at least it didnt survive long enough to be noticed.

What do you have against this EA? Or any of the others you condemn? Granted very few are showing any profit worth the effort, but this is kind of universal, they all claim great potentiaL It also seems that some of the new EA's, starting with FAP-T, which has hit problems, and now MegaDroid, which is still doing very well, and possiblty this one, have hit onto a scalping technique that really works well for these robots, better than it does for me when I try to emulate it manualy.

I am really interterested in any criticisms you may have for this robot, or any others. But so far it seems most of the criticisms are biased and not based on fact, or based on the idea that it is a copy of someone elses idea. The few people who have run and tested it all have positive results.

As with all my trading, this is mostly a search for a way to work this game. There are a lot of misguided opinions and attitudes about what is and isnt real, and a lot of questions about what does work best. And the answer changes constantly, with every new development, and every failure.

Let me know about the FXAW, I would like to check them out and see for myself. I've heard nothing but good things about the site, but its a bit of a mystery.
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Old 2009-05-11, 02:37 PM   #12 (permalink)
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What a pain in the A! Backtesting these trailing stop EA's takes forever.

I spent all day yesterday backtesting this EA. At first I was amazed and though this might be a real gold mine, but that quickly faded as I extended my testing. This EA is extremely well optimized for 2008, but if you go back before that it chokes.

MM has two operating modes, aggressive and conservative. I started with conservative since thats the default setting, and it did fairly well. A great win/loss rate , but it rarely trades. Total 40 trades in 1 year, 172 trades in 5 year test, at times it went for months without trading. 1 yr had no losses, 5 yr had only 9 losses, but it didnt make much money. 1 yr made 7.5K, but 5 yr only made 9 K, with a 20% risk setting.

Aggressive mode trades a lot more, 1100 trades in 1 year. All pending stop breakout orders. By default it can open up to 100 pending orders, and it does. If the first order doesnt get triggered, it will keep opening new ones all the way down or up the current trend , and when the trend reverses they will slowly all get triggered, or sit there forever. Likewise, if it opens an order and the trend reverses, it wont try to get out, it will just ride its stop untill it gets hit.

In a 1 yr test of 2008, with a 10% risk setting, it took a 10K account to 2.12 million. But in a 5 yr backtest it blew the account immediately. Even with a 2% risk setting it had trouble surviving 04 and 05, it ran the account down to $500, and held in the 500-600 $ range untill 08, when it began to rebuild, finally closing around 3 K.

An interesting robot, but not one I would care to run and trust blindly. However, when it does make mistakes they are obvious, and could be managed manualy. But they do need to be managed, this is anouther EA where the stops are much larger than the profits.

Both settings open two orders simultaneously. One with a profit target, and the second with a trailing stop. By default the profit target is 15 pips, with a 120 pip stop, and a 15 pip trailing stop. This is the conservative setting which uses about 6 indicators to get its signals, Stoch 5,3,3, RSI 2, ADX, Bulls, Bears, MACD, and a 20 MA. The aggressive setting they recomend using a 30 pip target, 80 pip stop, and 15 pip trailing stop. The aggressive setting uses different indicators, Stoch 5,3,3, RSI 2, Bears Power, ATR , 19 and 50 SMA 's, and P SAR, step 0.003, max 0.018.

Theres also a setting that limits how close a pending order can be set to the most recent high or low, 15 pips for the conservative setting, and 23 pips for the aggressive setting, and controls for what percent of the position size to alocate to each strategy, 80 targeted/20 trailing stop by default, but all are user adjustable.

Bottom line, this EA can be profitable, but it doesnt appear to be anything more than a well optimized EA. Probably right off the free shelf. Working with it reminds me of working with the DemarkLines EA, which is anouther free EA with great potential to optimize.

I'll run this for a few weeks before I return it and see what it can produce. Its a little too expensive to keep for an optimized free EA. I'll also try to get hold of Funyoo's free, vForce like EA, to compare. What I already downloaded looks like the vForce indicators and templates, but not the EA.
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Old 2009-05-12, 07:04 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Forex PeaceArmy just came out:
MAGIC is an exact copy of Vforce_v.1 (free)
and the update is a copy of Vforce_v.2 (free)
Get your MAGIC refund now.
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Old 2009-05-13, 11:55 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Forex PeaceArmy just came out:
MAGIC is an exact copy of Vforce_v.1 (free)
and the update is a copy of Vforce_v.2 (free)
Get your MAGIC refund now.
Great scam article on FPA, http://www.forexpeacearmy.com/forex-...heft-ea-2.html, concerning this robot, which is a direct copy of Funyoo's "vForce like EA", http://www.tradingsystemforex.com/co...achine-ea.html, and the EA Boss, which is a confirmed
copy of FAP-T. As well, ForexMaestro is a confirmed copy of the free Firebird EA.
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Old 2009-05-15, 02:00 PM   #15 (permalink)
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refunds@clickbank.com

For anyone who doesnt already know, you can either fill out the support form at ClickBank or simply forward your receipt to this address. I simply pull up a copy of my receipt, click the forward button, change the address to the above, and add a quick explanation. In this case I left a lengthy complaint and accusation. I sent this out yesterday evening and have already received a refund confirmation .

I would have waited a few weeks, but I wanted it on this months credit card statement.

All done with this one. Perhaps we can start a vForce thread next. Perhaps PipCop wants to test the vForce for himself, Magic Machine did have a great backtest for 08, but I've already read comments from others who have taken large losses going forward.

Last edited by Ken Long; 2009-05-15 at 02:01 PM.
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