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Old 2009-02-03, 04:29 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Cool MatrixNN

For this site I stumbled upon: http://matrixnn.com (seems v3 would be ok, $99) I wrote this email to them just now:
hi,
Recently we at pipcop.com have had a "run-in" with one other clean looking NN site like yours called y-oww.com, they wiped their site clean of content and disappeared once their bogus NN's were revealed as actually Martingale style and wiped-out most of our accounts. So in this lite, how is yours doing and is yours NOT martingale style, and is it really NN's?
jerry
PS pipcop, I notice first post of this thread uses both words recommend and submissions for EAs, should not these be two different threads? Just wondering aloud.
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Old 2009-02-03, 06:08 PM   #2 (permalink)
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For this site I stumbled upon: http://matrixnn.com (seems v3 would be ok, $99) I wrote this email to them just now:
hi,
Recently we at pipcop.com have had a "run-in" with one other clean looking NN site like yours called y-oww.com, they wiped their site clean of content and disappeared once their bogus NN's were revealed as actually Martingale style and wiped-out most of our accounts. So in this lite, how is yours doing and is yours NOT martingale style, and is it really NN's?
jerry
PS pipcop, I notice first post of this thread uses both words recommend and submissions for EAs, should not these be two different threads? Just wondering aloud.
Got a prompt reply:
Hello Mr. Batch,

Our site and EA are not related with pipcop.com. We never heard for that site. Sorry! Our MatrixNN isn't Martingale style. Live test of MatrixNN was running on server of Boston Technologies for public review over a 3 months. Our site is approved from FXCM. If you use normal trading risk EA will not wipe out your account. MatrixNN is tested for over 1 year and we think that our team is able to give you very best of Expert Advisors.

Please let us know if we can be of further assistance! Best regards and good profits!
MatrixNN end user support team
------------------- $$$ =======================================
Could be serious contender fellow pipcoppers! Donation button for this one!?
jb

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Old 2009-02-03, 06:51 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I've moved this out of the robot submission thread as it doesn't belong there.

My feedback:

1. They have no contact information. No email, no phone, no city, no state, not even a country.

2. They are using DNS services hosted out of Croatia (KOSINUSHOSTING.COM), but their web site is based in the US. (67.19.250.194). Their site was registered 2008-12-16.

3. They sell through ClickBank, which is notoriously known for not granting refunds.

4. Upon checkout, you are given NO company information.

5. They have BACKTESTS only, no live forward tests.

I'd say you would have to be a complete fool to buy from them. However, they are welcome to provide a demo to me and I'll try to get it into the queue when time allots. I suspect this is another scam artist.

I would be glad to be proven wrong, of course!
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Old 2009-02-03, 06:54 PM   #4 (permalink)
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And ...
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Our MatrixNN isn't Martingale style. Live test of MatrixNN was running on server of Boston Technologies for public review over a 3 months.

Really? Where is the statement?

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Our site is approved from FXCM.

FXCM does not "approve" websites. This is a flat lie.

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If you use normal trading risk EA will not wipe out your account.

Yet almost all of the other robots I have tested have done so.

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MatrixNN is tested for over 1 year and we think that our team is able to give you very best of Expert Advisors.
Prove it.

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Could be serious contender fellow pipcoppers! Donation button for this one!?
jb
I'll buy it just to prove them wrong. Donate away folks, but let's review it for at least 90 days first!
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Boy pipcop, you sounding like on a downer! LOL
I did notice some of those points, which is why I wrote them, but you got much, thanks. So you going to post donation button for this then when you last say you going to buy?
I shall re-write them and see if they can offer one in meantime.
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Old 2009-02-04, 10:43 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I'm just doing my job - assuming you're guilty until proven innocent!

Anyway, I noticed they registered on the site, so they are clearly aware of the comments here and I hope they will reply with some verifiable information, such as legit contact information, live statements, investor login credentials, and so forth.
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Really? Where is the statement?

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Yet almost all of the other robots I have tested have done so.

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Prove it.


I'll buy it just to prove them wrong. Donate away folks, but let's review it for at least 90 days first!
FXCM does approve site if site use IB from them. They read every word on our site and we was must made changes because of them!
You can contact FXCM support. Clickbank give refund for 2 months after buying ! Does have pipcop dot com phone number or fiscal address?
Is this site a SCAM? You ask for donation from your members and after ask us to gave EA for free.
Whay pipcop dot com doesn’t post all our e-mails? EA Matrix NN was running at earesults dot com (Boston Technologies site bostontechnologies dot com)
for 3 months . Statement is on matrixnn dot com for V4. Live results for MatrixNN V5.0 chek at earesults dot com.
You can see results of many EAs for free at earesults dot com, no need for donation in the future...
We will run MatrixNN V3 at earesults com . We have seen too many sites like pipcop dot com and all wont EA-s for free. If you want more
info about developing EA-s please visit forex-tsd Elite section.
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Old 2009-02-04, 03:42 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Hi, and welcome to my site. I am glad you decided to come over, and let's work together to work out any mis-understandings. Here is what I have come up with:

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FXCM does approve site if site use IB from them. They read every word on our site and we was must made changes because of them!
You can contact FXCM support.
I did contact them, and they provided some great clarification: They did not approve your company, just the content of your website. The way you phrased it made it sound like they have approved your robot. That is deceptive. Even if IBFX were to approve the content of my site, I never would use that as a marketing statement!

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FXCM£21: Welcome to FXCM's Live Chat Feature. How may I help you? James Fulerton: Hi, the site www.MatrixNN.com is saying FXCM has "approved" their site. Can you tell me about them and how you have "approved" them, and how you have otherwise certified them?
FXCM£21: Hi James, thanks for letting us know about that -- we won't approve or certify any referring broker if they have a relationship with us, so, if it is the case that they write that on their site, our compliance department will be made aware of it immediately
FXCM£21: is the message that you see on the homepage of MatrixNN or is it somewhere else?
James Fulerton: They sent it to a member on my site via email, which my member then posted here:
James Fulerton: MatrixNN - Pip Cop - Forex Robot Reviews
James Fulerton: They said "Our site is approved from FXCM."
FXCM£21: thanks James, let me take a look
FXCM£21: now, the context of what you just said is different than what you asked: for a referring broker to say "our website is approved" simply means that our compliance department has found the information on their website to be free of any indication that we approve or certify them as a referring broker
FXCM£21: their website simply meets certain rules and regulations they must follow before being allowed to say they are with FXCM
FXCM£21: naturally, you asked if we approve the company, not the website
James Fulerton: Good. Do you have a link to these guidelines so I may review them?
James Fulerton: And can you also clarify - you are saying you approve of the content of their website, but have not done any approval process on the company itself, correct?
FXCM£21: No, I would not be able to provide you with the guidelines our compliance department follows
FXCM£21: and any further inquiries regarding this you would have to direct our compliance department: compliance@fxcm.com
James Fulerton: Okay, thanks very much, I appreciate your assistance.
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Clickbank give refund for 2 months after buying !
Actually, it's 90 days, and I may have been hasty in saying this. It appears that Clickbank *may* give buyers a refund. However, I would research this further. The last word I heard on this was that if the seller provided a digital product, and they buyer received it, then there was no refund.

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Does have pipcop dot com phone number or fiscal address?
Yes. It's right here:
Pip Cop - Forex Robot Reviews - Products Support Page

And, since you obviously did not notice, we're located in Springfield, VA, USA. You can call my phone number during normal business hours and I'll answer it personally.

If you go to PayPal to check out, you can look up my business information:

Seller Reputation: (741) Verified Buyers
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PayPal Member For: 8 years 20 days
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If you were to click the link under my username, you would find my bio:
About the site founder - Pip Cop - Forex Robot Reviews

You would see I run several other websites and am very well known in the community, and have been for nearly 10 years.

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Is this site a SCAM? You ask for donation from your members and after ask us to gave EA for free.
True. However, most robot authors with a good product are glad to provide details to back up their robot, as well as a copy of their robot, for testing purposes. The terms of use are clearly laid out in the Terms of Service link. In the event they are not, the donations go to purchasing it outright. You don't have to provide one, we can - and will - obtain one for testing anyway.

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Whay pipcop dot com doesn’t post all our e-mails?
You never sent me any emails. Hence I posted this and expected a reply. Granted, I expected something a LOT more professional.

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EA Matrix NN was running at earesults dot com (Boston Technologies site bostontechnologies dot com) for 3 months . Statement is on matrixnn dot com for V4. Live results for MatrixNN V5.0 chek at earesults dot com.
You can see results of many EAs for free at earesults dot com, no need for donation in the future...
I know you can't post links as a new user, but you can provide more than just the home page to a few other sites. Can you be more specific so we can find your robot results?

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We will run MatrixNN V3 at earesults com .
Sounds good, we look forward to it.

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We have seen too many sites like pipcop dot com and all wont EA-s for free.
Funny, I just said we'll ask for a free copy, but will buy it if needed.

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If you want more info about developing EA-s please visit forex-tsd Elite section.
I am sure many of our members would be interested.

In the meanwhile, please provide us with some better data. All I got here was someone who was very defensive, yet no real data. Like I said, I would love to be proven wrong and hope you have a great product. We've just been scammed here in the past so are less prone to "fall" for slick sales pitches.
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Old 2009-02-04, 04:56 PM   #9 (permalink)
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One other thing, earesults. Are you affiliated with earesults.com or MatrixNN.com? Please update your profile and I will upgrade your account accordingly. I'm still at a loss at who you are, where you are, and who you work for (or what site you own).
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Old 2009-02-04, 06:02 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Once this all looks Kosher between parties with more verified url referrals, be nice to
forge ahead with donation button if they elect not to avail a demo. But we wait for these before a vote on donation button?
Thanks pipcop for your continued dedication. I think many of us whence getting finances straight will throw money here given your ethical strong pursuits in this search as a group on this "eternal hunt", "divided we fall" is part of that expression, so together we can find HERE (why not here?)
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