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Old 2009-01-21, 08:11 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I joined Fap Winner about a month ago and I am demoing FAPTS.It seems to do well and I have not seen a loss yet,but my main concern is the money managment that they recommend.If I understand it correctly they recommend to trade 1 standard lot for every $ 10,000 in the account.With stop loss at 500 pips 1 trade can loose half of the account .Am I missing something ?

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Old 2009-01-21, 11:09 PM   #12 (permalink)
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That sounds a little heavy, but the math doesnt lie. As I found out when I first started demoing FAPT, a 500 pip stop can be hit pretty easy if there isnt a backup exit strategy in place. In that case it was 500 x 5, 4 were hit at once, almost half my demo account.
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Old 2009-01-22, 02:16 AM   #13 (permalink)
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I read your message on another message board that regular Forexautopilot with TP 20 SL 60 and trailing stop 5 does well.Do you still feel that way ?

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but my main concern is the money managment that they recommend.If I understand it correctly they recommend to trade 1 standard lot for every $ 10,000 in the account.With stop loss at 500 pips 1 trade can loose half of the account .Am I missing something ?
Your math is correct. It is a possibility. In trading, however, I believe that we deal with probability more than possibility. Given the track record of the FAPTS EA, how probable is that the stop will be hit?

This aspect of the FAPTS EA also has me concerned but based on the probability, it's all part of the risk-reward to me. If I want to use a high-performing EA, I assume the risk. The higher the performer, the higher the risk and the higher reward. People who believe that they can get a higher reward from less risk are mistaken.

Take FAP Turbo as an example. During it's earning peak, it was awesome, more than doubling an account each month. But it turned out that the EA's logic was curve-fitted to the current market and tightly optimized for that market. Well, the market changed and the EA started losing big time. My live account dropped 30% after reaching it's peak. There are also broker spread issues with FAP Turbo that should also be included in the risk/reward calculation.

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Old 2009-01-22, 10:37 AM   #15 (permalink)
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I read your message on another message board that regular Forexautopilot with TP 20 SL 60 and trailing stop 5 does well.Do you still feel that way ?

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Sure, sometimes, sometimes not. On a demo account. If the market is behaving right you could through darts at it with this strategy and do good. Now FAPS is a little better tha a dart, but it still lacks some important criteria. Or rather the way it uses its two key indicators draws some doubts.

The Demarker and Williams % R are both fine oscillating indicators. Traditionaly they're used to show overbought and oversold conditions, but FAPS seems to use them on a directional basis. Meaning, it doesnt seem to look at the level of the indicator and will buy or sell overbought or oversold conditions, as long as the indicators point in that direction.

A strategy such as this one will do fine as long as there is continuation of trend within the allowed 60 pip stop limit. It will still lose when it buys into a larger reversal, or chopy situation, and historicaly, backtesting, it has poor results. The problem is, like the scalper, there are a lot of small profits, and occasionaly larger losses. If the market is running stable and smooth then there will be more 20 pip wins, and fewer 60 pip loses. If the market gets chopy and volitile then the gains will shrink and there will be lots of breakeven trades and more 60 pip loses.

When you read results like this the thing to do is set them up on a demo account and test them yourself. Everyone likes to discuss their optimizations, but unless you can confirm them and like what you see, they're all pretty useless.

The whole proccess of optimizing, testing, and watching these EA's for yourself is important. Its fine to read somebody elses suggestions and testing results, but its very important to test them for yourself, to get to know them, like any freind or buisness associate they all have their strengths and weaknesses. If you can find one that tests well backwards and forwards, demo and real, great, but beware, if you dont truely know the system it may suprise you. I have yet to see any mechanical system that can run on its own without any human intervention and support. Most do well in certain conditions, and not in others.
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Old 2009-01-23, 09:06 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Hello Community,

Here are my results running FAPTS on my live account from Jan 14th to Jan 23 inclusive. Note that there are a few FAP Turbo trades in the statement. I removed the FAP Turbo EA from my live account of Jan 20th.

Interesting items to note:
1. ROI this week (Jan19-Jan23) was 5.8%
2. ROI to date is 15.9%
3. It seems I may have underestimated this EA's performance when comparing it to RoboMiner although time will tell.
4. In addition to the general stop loss that the EA takes upon opening the position, there is a trailing stop loss. This week, I believe that the trailing stop loss was 15 pips. You can see the trailing stop loss in the statement.
5. To date, most trades have silppage. But the interesting thing is that the siippage usually is in my favour. This morning (Jan 23) was an exception where the tade closed 2 pips away from my T/P level.
6. SInce the EA has been trading the UK morning session (7:00am-12:00pmGMT, 2:00am-7:00amET), I normally don't get to see the trades as they happen.

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Old 2009-01-30, 08:31 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Old 2009-02-12, 09:33 AM   #18 (permalink)
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I would encourage you to post statements from any forward-trading account you have. While we can easily debate this and that, forward running statements and real account trades speak volumes.

That is excally why I am so encouraged by the fact that this website, and 3 or 4 other websites are very consistant in the results of a wide range of robots. For me, FapTurbo has done almost excally what it is doing for this site. Im using Alpari on a 200:1 account and my trades and results are just about whats going on here. I dont care what all the other jokes say. FORWARD LIVE TESTS are to only way to prove anything that is theorized....DUH! So, just as long as things keep moving on just like they are here, then I am fairly content in the whole thing.
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Hello guys!

I would like to share my opinion of Fapwinner.


Fapwinner club is created by Charles A. Floyd, II - he is a professional trader and a person of his word - he is very kind and honest. I know him for a long time even in real life.

You can read latest reviews from his members on FPA (independent site) here: http://www.forexpeacearmy.com/public...fap-winner.com

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I have spent a significant amount of time researching the systems and associated support that are available in the Forex industry. Unfortunately those with integrity and genuine purpose are not that abundant, but they are there and FAP Winner and Charles Floyd II is certainly one of them. Charles has integrity of purpose as well as a big heart and is a credit to the Forex industry - he is certainly a "servant leader" - thanks Charles.
You can also view the personal video interview by Mark Larsen from http://forex-systems-reviews.com/ here: http://secrets.bz/interview

Few months ago Fapwinner totally changed the staff and opened the office with a new professional staff. Every week you can attend Fapwinner webinars!
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Old 2009-06-12, 10:40 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Hello guys!

I would like to share my opinion of Fapwinner.


Fapwinner club is created by Charles A. Floyd, II - he is a professional trader and a person of his word - he is very kind and honest. I know him for a long time even in real life.

You can read latest reviews from his members on FPA (independent site) here: http://www.forexpeacearmy.com/public...fap-winner.com

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You can also view the personal video interview by Mark Larsen from http://forex-systems-reviews.com/ here: http://secrets.bz/interview

Few months ago Fapwinner totally changed the staff and opened the office with a new professional staff. Every week you can attend Fapwinner webinars!
If Fapwinner still risks 500 pips to possibly gain 20, then nothing significant has changed.

The 500 pip hard stop does get hit. It happened to me.

Also check out the review of FAPwinner here.

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