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Old 2009-11-04, 12:53 PM   #591 (permalink)
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(Final thought, I promise)

But speaking of emotion - and "Get rich quick" schemes - I ran across this article several months ago, and pass it on to those just getting into FOREX as I think it hits what PC was trying to say squarely on the head-

From ForexDistrict.com

Position Size: The Holy Cow of Forex Trading.

The cowboy approach to trading Forex is a wonderful recipe for inviting disaster, but many new traders do often attempt this as a means to the “Get Rich Quick” dream. What they invariably get instead, is a blown account (and one happy broker who now has their money).
A broking house related in an article recently that one of their most successful traders is a “balls to the wall” kind of guy. He began with a $1 million kitty, trades very large position sizes, and regularly pulls in the kind of numbers that make your head spin. He frequently changes his mind, flipping from long to short and one currency pair to another within seconds, which apparently drives his trading partners crazy. Large position sizes do it for him. Recommended? Absolutely not! (Let’s remember that brokers have their own agenda to work.)
It’s very hard to believe that this guy “began” trading Forex for the first time with $1 million and automatically succeeded. Far more likely he earned his stripes elsewhere on a much (MUCH) smaller account for a period of several years, then moved into a larger account using the broker relating this story, which is where this trader’s story “began” for the broker concerned.
Another trader within my acquaintance recently related the story of his transition from demo to live. He made a classic mistake, demo trading on a $100k account (because he liked the hit of seeing the zero’s spinning around), having a great time. Suggestions that demo trading the amount of his anticipated live capital was essential, went unheeded. He then went live on a $10k account, and promptly blew it up. He refunded a second time with another $10k, blew that one up too. Now he is trading a micro-account, and finally the lesson has sunk in – trade small to start with – give yourself room to get through the apprenticeship without the damage.
The big difference between demo and live is just one word – pressure. Some traders can handle the pressure, others can’t. Small position sizes accomplish several important things –

  • Small position sizes are the optimum way to contain the pressure. Small position size, small pressure. Big position size, big pressure. This is a critically important tool for managing the emotions of trading.
  • Small position sizes make allowance for the knowledge vacuum, the “what don’t I presently know about this, that I need to know” factor.
  • Small position sizes link in to the “Less is More” approach. A little trade at the right moment, goes a long way. In Forex, it doesn’t take a big position size to make a big return on investment. A small trade, well placed, can deliver big returns.
  • Small position sizes guarantee preservation of your account capital, and as such are the primary tool for insuring yourself against losses.
  • Small position sizes ensure market longevity. No money, no trading.
Many experienced traders recommend small position sizes relative to the size of the account (not more than 2%) and regardless of market experience, for good reason.
Position size is however contingent upon two things. First, the level of risk the trader is comfortable with and second, the level of proficiency the trader has. Some traders are comfortable with high levels of risk, but under-estimate the second part of the equation, their proficiency.
If the trader is good at what they do, has a strong track record of success, an increased level of risk-reward can be a legitimate strategy. Some experienced/professional traders risk up to 20% of their account seed capital per total open positions (usually trading a basket of currencies simultaneously). The premise is that Forex is a speculative high risk instrument, it’s not the place for the bread and butter money of other investments, risk is the business du jour – as a successful professional trader they have literally “earned” the privilege to trade higher levels of risk.
The end purpose of longevity in the Forex market is to gain mastery of the instrument, to trade it with a high degree of accuracy and proficiency, accumulating consistently successful trades. Making it through the apprenticeship to reach the success objective is made possible by one thing, managing position size well.
Position size matters. Regardless of account size, trading style or market experience, it’s the key to unlocking and maintaining long-term success. In the early stages especially, it’s the key to survival.
Small position sizes also give the trader room to grow gradually into a place of comfort in coping with the pressure that comes with trading larger numbers as the success rate improves.
Safe and happy trading.
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Old 2009-11-04, 02:15 PM   #592 (permalink)
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That's it. Position sizing is the key. Thanks for reminding it.

I agree with Rick that it would really good to start a Forex Funnel thread. You could just ignore the dissenters, if it cost you too much emotionally, but definitely you will have a little crowd of attentive listeners.
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Old 2009-11-04, 03:06 PM   #593 (permalink)
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That's it. Position sizing is the key. Thanks for reminding it.

I agree with Rick that it would really good to start a Forex Funnel thread. You could just ignore the dissenters, if it cost you too much emotionally, but definitely you will have a little crowd of attentive listeners.
Thanks PD - I'll try to start a new thread later this week/weekend...

As you've said, it is about lot size and risk... and managing that -That's why I liked that article so much - That said, since I first wrote, the final notes have come out of the FOMC meeting - and had a STELLAR morning - looks like about $3k? (all within 1 hour!) So I would like to track these wins in another thread....

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Old 2009-11-04, 04:29 PM   #594 (permalink)
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Hi Killer-B,

I would like to chat you about forex funnel and you experience with it.


if you can please add me at skype


Can you tell me how much its necessary to start with forex funnel? I couldnt find it at their website.

thanks!
ps: its not possible to send pm to you here, i dont know why.


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we can chat throught email if you like, send me pm with your email. Looking forward.

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Old 2009-11-04, 07:28 PM   #595 (permalink)
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Jr -

I rarely get on Skype - but will add you next time... Plus, I want to create a new thread about FF, as I know this is bothering the Robominer crowd - but will look for you online sometime - or just PM me here..

Also, PLEASE remove my Skype name from your post please? It's a unique identifier and don't want the search engines picking it up (or PC, if you could moderate please) -

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I'm actually following this all with great interest, but a new thread would be great too just to keep things tidy. Tell you what, when you make the new thread I will move these FF posts into that thread for you.

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Thanks for the edit JR - I guess I have the PM disabled - I will get back to you over the weekend -

PC - thanks for the help as well - Broke 67K tonight - highest day I've ever had! So am feeling good about it - But will try to set up a trading journal or dedicated post over the weekend too -

Lastly my MT4 thing was working fine till noon today... but now I get this error?!?

2009.11.04 22:05:07 FTP: statement.htm failed

Anyone have any ideas why? I Googled it - and see others have had it too - but no real answers out there - and their FAQ page has nothing in regards to this - One guy said to "login" to MT4 - but that didn't do it.... I'd love to post my stats on here.... but can't tell if it's my broker , MT4, or pilot error? It was working fine!? Someone said there was a newer version of MT4 out - but I've not received any notice about it from my broker (s)... So, dunno? I did register with myFXbook or whatever it's called - but prefer to use MT4 Stats if possible -

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Killer-B,

What would be a good broker for FF that has 500:1 leverage ?

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Old 2009-11-05, 04:40 PM   #599 (permalink)
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Hi KB,

im looking forward for you posts and to chat with you when possible. Are you willing to share all your experience and know how with FF?

How long are you using it?

And one important thing: is he being consistent? or are you experience some big losses and big wins?
Can you tell me how much its necessary to start with forex funnel? I couldnt find it at their website. Account type and lotsize?


Just some questions so you can start your new threat

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I've been testing it since FEB 09 on Demo for 3 months, took it live in April/May on micro - blew those up getting greedy - then opened a cash std account on June 3rd - You cannot really run this on less that 5000:1 (you can try 2500:1) but it's not advised... I learned the hard way 3x --

It IS consistent! - I have losing trades, but the one larger winner ALWAYS trumps the smaller losers... so the NET is always a gain -

We are now talking about it here:

http://www.pipcop.com/forums/general....html#post5776

I've attached my OCT Monthly statement (can only screen-shot the bottom) -- but am still working on MT4 to show 5 months history....

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